I've seen similar electronic ones on bike-sharing bikes. ofo in particular when it was around. I think it used nfc or bluetooth to unlock, then communicated with the app to show that it was relocked (and in turn no longer rented)
the point of this lock isnt about the security, its about dealing +5 psychic damage to theives to keep them out
I used a similar lock for my bike when I was a child. These were very common in India back in the day. Bikes were fairly cheap, and I mostly park it on the ground where I used to go play with friends. This was atleast 7-8years ago, so can't say about whats a common bike lock these days.
These are common on most commuter bikes in Japan. The thing is you don’t have to worry about bike thieves over there, especially when your riding the kind of bikes these things are installed on.
For such a lock, the key being held captive while the lock is open is normal. That's how they work.
Wait, what was the key for agin?
I know this "family" of locks from my childhood in the 1970ties, and they were also called "insurance locks", because in case of a bike theft, the insurance would only pay if you presented the key to them, meaning the lock was actually engaged. These locks were always of low quality and nobody considered them to secure anything, because they did not withstand a forceful attack.
The thief will be sad it didn't take more to open it
Might as well just tie your bike up with a bit of string
kick the leaver, it will open.
Aw, I had higher hopes for it. it really looks cool and I like the general idea but not the actual operation.
a novaltiy? Really? I had such locks on my bike in germany over 20 years ago. Those kind of locks are not new...
Keeping the key in your bike is a very standard thing for locks mounted to it. Generally you'll be on top of it + it's a two-handed operation to lock it, so the likelyhood of someone doing it quickly and covertly is pretty much nil. I've never heard of/seen it being abused here in the Netherlands.
Well I was expecting the wave rake, so that wasn't even that bad...
Same design as Dutch bike locks key retention is standard for these locks...
Anything made in China should be avoided / boycotted!!
Just a reminder that most electronics are made in China, so you'd probably not be able to post this comment without them.
Broke: "Thief's Lament" Woke: "The Thief is Sad"
Leaving the keys in the lock while the bicycle is in use, is 100% normal in the Netherlands. If anyone is caught riding a bicycle with a wheel mounted lock, without a key in it, police will assume it is stolen unless you have proof of ownership.
I had a lock like this on the bike I had while living in Japan, and most, if not all, bikes there have them. Neat to see one featured here.
Perhaps the lock is cursed :D?
@lockpickinglawyer do you have any experience with Dutch bike locks from AXA for instance?
The thief is sad - the lawyer is happy. (Or was it the other way round...?)
Funny how someone can be surprised by the most desirable feature on such a bike lock: that the key remains in the lock while the lock is in the open position. Come to The Netherlands and you’ll see that practically all bike locks are designed like that. It makes good sense. You have your keys with you when cycling and, maybe even more important when you also have your house keys on the same key ring, you never forget to lock your bike when you get home.
Did anyone else notice the amount of rotation in the core from just the tension wrench alone?
Anything from China makes me sad. This lock is no exception.
This kind of lock is the standard here in Japan and comes attached to most basic road bikes right out of the factory. The keys stay in the lock when it's open so you don't forget to lock it or accidentally leave the keys somewhere.
Wow you know it's really bad when he doesn't even have to go back to pin 1...
Keys hanging off of an unlocked bike is very common in NL, all my bikes have and have had that, and my whole families bike locks do it too
LPL has improved it by not needing to leave the key in the lock once opened.
Thieves are sad... Because they aren't going to get a challenge out of this lock
“The thief is sad” Who hurt him?
I once picked a little master lock with a paperclip, I was really happy with myself but it was a complete fluke
You know it’s bad when the video is only 1:48 long.
As a Chinese, I can confirm. Most chinese product names are as dramatic as "theive's lament".
I've seen a similar system welded to frames on many European bikes from the 80's and 90's. You could remove the key while unlocked, which was a good thing, since no one really used them.
I used a similar cheap combination wheel lock for years in Phnom Penh. These type of locks are for momentary security while you are in sight of you bicycle getting street food or making a sidewalk purchase literally a few steps away; their purpose is simply to to keep someone from hopping on and riding off quickly before you can reach your bike to stop them. They work well for that purpose and nothing else. I installed one after a security guard stopped a kid from doing a grab and go while I was buying something six feet away with my back turned. I calculated that there where only about a dozen combinations for the lock I had. It served its purpose when making a quick stop and not wanting to take the time to check your bicycle in a pen. At the market, mall, or grocery there where bike check areas where for a small fee you checked your bike with a claim check stapled around the cable. And overnight lots in residential areas. Once checked you prudently cable locked your bike to the rack and wheels to the frame as people would attempt to trade up. For night time security my bike was chained and cabled to an heavy eye set in concrete locked inside the entrance way to my three unit building. Only lost one from that spot in seven years. I bought ancient imported Bridgestone Japanese lug frame bikes weighing 25+ pounds and rebuilt then with decent parts. No one wanted those old grandpa bikes and that was the best security. The weight was not an issue in flat rice patty land. I could ride for hours on the flat. I lived my life in a five kilometer radius of my home and a bicycle was faster than a car due to parking and less hassle than a motor bike due to theft.
This is the standard style of bike lock for 3-speed "mama-charis" in Japan. It's just enough to stop a drunk from taking your bicycle from outside the station.
Not sure, but I think these might be used for free public bikes, where you pick up the bike where someone left it at the side of the road, use it to ride around the city and then leave it locked with the keys in it for the next person to use. If you want to go into a shop or have a coffee, you can lock the bike and take the keys so that no one else uses it. I've used similar when in SE Asia, there are thousands of bikes and they're pretty much worthless, so the locks don't need to be good, just a convenience so nobody can take the bike while you're using it.
How do you know if you need to be on the top or bottom of the keyway?
When he starts picking with only 40 seconds left in the video...
So, pick your own bike lock so you don't have to leave the keys in it!
Thief sees the lock Also thief, "Why are we here? Just to suffer ....."
Hey LPL, from where I live, in Japan, we wouldn't call this type of lock a novelty. Almost every "everyday bike" (non road bike or mountain bike) sold here has one of these permanently fixed to the back wheel, positioned under the seat. Here, it would be considered fit for purpose, because bike theft is barely a problem, most bike thieves here only steal bikes with the intention of "borrowing" it for a quick trip before dumping it somewhere. That is why the police force has a registration system for every bike purchased (mandatory in Tokyo), which also helps with illegally parked bikes. This type of lock is perfect because it deters casual "borrowing" yet is fast and easy to use. However, I am not sure it would be suitable for places like China.
Not being able to remove the key while the lock is unlocked is standard on Dutch bicycle locks. Generally people use one lock like this (but obviously/hopefully better quality, like the AXA bike locks), and a second lock in case they live in a city. The second lock is usually a chain lock with nylon sleeve.
A novelty that ought to be avoided, oughtn't it?
What causes you to choose different tension bars? Also what video game do you think has the best lock picking Sim? They are my favorite part of most games!
When we discover a monolith on Mars locked down by advanced alien technology then lockpicking lawyer will take at least 5 minutes to open it. The last thing that lock will hear is a resounding thumbs up that their mega lock they spent millennia perfecting is unlikely to be picked on the street
Locks like these were fitted as standard to bikes where I grew up. They didn't have the leave the key in feature.
They used to have these when I was a kid (and bike theft wasn't a big thing). They were shitty back then too, but good enough for a cheap bike when you pop into the store for a few minutes.
It doesn't seem to be truly the "thief's lament" but since it seems like pretty much all bike locks can be picked easily, it's not really terrible. Also this is the 1000th comment. Yay?
Compare this to ABUS Pro Shield Plus 5950 NR + 6KD/85 + ST5950, it's a high end version of this concept, rated 9 on ABUS own scale "For good bicycles against medium risk of theft"
I love how the shackle just snaps open quickly and loudly.
Dutch bike thieves have a very easy method of opening the simpler circular locks. These are mostly fitted on the frame at the rear wheel. Pick up the back of the bike, run and drop the rear wheel onto the road. Now the spokes will rattle the lock which will most of the time result in it popping open.
Translated... "The thief has a new bike"
this is the same principle as with the typical Dutch bike locks. the key must stay inside when it is open.
Google Translate phone app came up with 威见愁 which means Prestige, but I think the app got the first character wrong and it should be 贼见愁, "Zéi jiàn chóu" which Google Translate can be made to confirm is "Thief sees sorrowful" - it's an odd, awkward phrase, ending in an adverb. But usually Google Translate just gives "Thief", maybe as an ironic name - Thief Locks?
To be honest, it's a good measure to prevent it being simply grabbed in a public space, which if enough for most people.
The thief spent all that time training and in the end only ended up facing this? I would be sad too.
These locks were very popular in europe
That system was commonplace in India, in my years there back in the 90s.
That design feature in which the keys aren't removable while the lock is unlocked is pretty common on mounted bike locks like this, or at least it is where I live. Couldn't tell you why, though.
This is a pretty common bike lock design in India and most of South East Asian.
Yes, ring locks are always key retaining. It’s part of how insurance knows that you’ve actually used it. You provide the bike insurers the keys and they give you the money to buy a new bike. If I have a U lock or a padlock, even if it is key retaining i could have just left it locked but not through a wheel. Of course the insurers will want an actually good implementation of a ring lock, but they’ll want a ring lock. The AXA 7 is more or less welded onto the frame, IIRC, and will have an attachment point for a cable or chain that locks into the main ring lock. But even if I “forget” (read: too lazy to use) the chain/cable, then if I have the key, at least the bike will have been somewhat locked.
Looking forward to your coverage of Fido: www.indiegogo.com/projects/fido-the-safest-and-most-minimalist-smart-lock#/
I just bought a very expensive bike. How do I secure it? You make every lock look useless! Which bicycle would you use?
Needing to leave the keys in is a design I've seen a lot for that style bike lock, it's meant to ensure that you remember to lock your bike
Usually, the key not being able to be pulled out when the lock isn’t locked is good because it prevents the lock from falling out when you ride something like a bike. But in this lock this good plus side just doesn’t really work out.
Have you ever been invited to pull a heist?
All locks are the same with a 10cent barrel.
Do something cool
Novelty? Maybe in America, over here in Europe those kind of bike locks are a very common sight
How do you say “buyer’s regret” in Chinese?
These kinds of locks are extremely common in the Netherlands
i once inherited a $600 mountain bike that had been left with a Kryptonite lock on it. this was before the internet when everyone thought those locks were tough. i thought of drilling the lock but i didn't have a drill. I did have a 1/4" drill bit and a pair of vice grips, so i locked the bit in the jaws and turned it by hand into the notch in the keyhole. shreds of soft metal immediately started falling out and less than 30 seconds later the lock fell apart.
Postwar (WW2) France had limited manufacturing and expensive gasoline, so the citizens used a simple motorized bicycle called a "Solex"....and every one of those came equipped with this EXACT lock, using a much more rudimentary cylinder, and attached with stove-bolt, smooth-head screws & twist-off nuts. Over 50,000,000 Solex were produced.., and most were ably protected by this simple ingenious security whilst you were absent...most likely in the boulangerie buying your baguette.
How do you write "Thief's amusement" in Chinese?
We've got to start lobbying for better security so we can have videos more than 2 minutes.
Damn not even 2min
Why TF did I get the notification NOW?!
uzload.info/fun/lGWPlWHFt36IuHU/video Mr LockPickingLawyer, there is a new lock in town called 'Urban Alps Stealth Padlock', can you pick it? Mr Bosnianbill a youtuber had trouble picking it
"When Thief Sees this they will be worried." is probably the best translation I can come up with. But when you are using a 50/1000 pry bar on a pin tumbler lock, you know it is either very cheap or has something fishy going on. In this case it is the former.
Don’t you have to lock the lock to make it work, thus releasing the key?
This type of lock comes with literally every bike in the Netherlands (except the core is rotated 90° so te key is perpendicular to the bike
I am a New Zealander but having visited NL six times it seems the bike locking system seems to work. Thought if LPL visited NL he could sell 10 bikes a minute!
Stop pickinig things you are gonna finish picking reality and go to another dimension
The fact that the key cannot be removed when unlocked is perfectly normal on bike locks here (Europe, Netherlands). Every lock of that type is made like that.
Attached to the bike? So then it could be defeated with a...screwdriver and an 11mm hexagonal "tensioning tool"?
Those are some LOUD pins
I've seen this type of lock in several European countries. They all retain the key, so you have to lock your bike.
Hi LPL. The key is supposed to be held in place when the lock is opened. It's a strange design but it's a requirement for locks used on bikes with any form of theft insurance.
About the translation: 賊見愁 literally translates to "thieves see melancholy", but the meaning is "thieves would be sad (depressed) when they see this."
These are super common in the Netherlands, the key staying in is always the same. It makes sure that you will always have the key if you lock it - can you imagine locking it and then realising you don't have the key...
That mechanism is similar what ASSA/ABLOY used in bike locks for a very long time (key can't be removed when open) Ah fills me with nostalgia from 80's and 90's (maybe up to early 00's). Lost few bicycle keys when they changed the system lol
All attached bike locks cannot have the keys removed while opened.
The Thief's Lament: Thief 1: Guys! I got it off! That was so easy! Best stolen bike ever! Thief 2 (Holding the brand new hacksaw he didn't get to use): Yeah, it was okay...
I've never seen a similar mounted bicycle lock that does not retain the key. It's a feature of these types of locks, you would never normally leave your bicycle unlocked anyway, unless when it is in a private garage.
should be "thief is laughing"
Should rename it buyer's remorse